Long story short, Loki tricks the two heroes into doing battle and as two of the strongest heroes in Marvel, there battle is as epic as youd imagine. So here Thor admits that not even he could change what had already been written by the Fates, and thus by Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. He has Lucifer below Darkseid too. Mangog likes the plan and teams up with Thanos. They are part of the universe and don't exist apart from it. Privacy Policy. Now cope. Thor quickly jumps under the massive building, summoning his might to hold up the millions of tons worth of steel and glass, while everyone heads to safety. Has quite a few multiversal feats. Rune King Thor has many impressive feats. Same for the other realms. Throughout this multiverse, there have been many versions of the mighty Thor, some more powerful than others. A literal godkiller, the Skrull demolishes the Warriors Three and Beta Ray Bill before Thor arrives. Eventually, Thor comes across the villains and knocks them out of the sky. Instead he destroys that which apparently fed their power. Assaulted while in his human guise, Sigurd Jarlson, Thor gets thrown off the building and is saved by Spider-Man, who happens to be swinging by. They are part of the universe and don't exist apart from it. Thor doesn't faces Those Who Sit Above In Shadow directly. So what Odin lavish story comes down to is this: And I say lavish because Odin way of telling the story was in no way different from all the other stories. All the while, the cosmic beings Chaos and Order are observing the match. While fans constantly debate about whether the Hulk or Thor is stronger, theres another group of readers who pontificate on whether Hercules, the Prince of Power, is mightier than Thor, the God of Thunder. it would be difficult to actually draw 9 to 10 entire universes on a tree especially since we have no real word perspective of what the whole universe looks like from outside of it, its not meant to be exact similar to the dragonball macrocosm map so dont take everything literal, Asgard is a pocket universe, your confusing the Floating Land of Asgard with the entire dimension, theres visible stars and other celestials bodies throughout the Asgard dimension and again its been stated to be a pocket universe. Much like now during the Black Winter event we see that the Silver Surfer kept five special planets/worlds from Galactus. Justiceleague1 . Then as He looked into the great void he said Let there be light and there was light. Nothing happened to them. The powerful beams obliterated Cable's arm and knocked the mutant unconscious. However, this distracts Thor long enough so that when his hammer returns, it hits him in the head. The Mongoose is one of Thors more lackluster villains. Even though Thor and Hercules are friends, the two are also staunch rivals. RELATED:Michael Giacchino To Compose Thor Love And Thunder. At this point, Hulk is nearly stronger than ever in his savage mode. Wait..but isn't Necro Thor..like Multiversal as well. Still the universe kept on going. As their battle reaches its climax, Thor has Bill pinned beneath him and strikes his fallen friend with enough force to complete destroy the planet they are both standing on. That spark was Gaia, Mother Earth, Mother of all Life. The sheer weight of the Serpent is uncertain, but at the very least, its not in the billions of tons, rather its weight is in the trillions of tons. The Eye explains to Thor that the Axis Mundi (Celestial Axis) is a multi-layered system, and that it appears symbolically for every plane, and its the might world tree, Yggdrasil. The Avengers cross over, but Hercules stays on Olympus. Anyway, Lady Sif and Beta Ray Bill are the first of Thors friends to find the thunder god, discovering hes hanging out on some distant world. So here Thor admits that not even he could change what had already been written by the Fates, and thus by Those Who Sit Above In Shadow. And he isn't multiversal because Yggdrasil unlike what some claims have been made. The blow is so powerful that it knocks out the Phoenix, something never before seen. To better understand the feat of Thor pushing the World Engine, its important to understand Yggdrasill. ''He survived the death of a multiverse'' This has so many broad explanations that is laughable, or I am missing context here? Silver Surfer then stood up, unfazed, and blasted Cable with a cosmic optical blast. Now unleashed, its up to Thor to put the Destroyer back in the ground. This includes not just universes but higher spatial dimensions as well and theres multiple statements besides the ones you posted confirming that it contains infinite realities of each dimension, Midgard is clearly referring to the the 616 universe where humans reside so the totality of Midgard realities alone is a multiverse on Yggdrasil, they just focus on planets and lands of other realms to simplify the diagram and give you an idea of the terrain since thats where the locals reside, they wouldnt just be floating in space now would they? Right before Thor kills Stalin, the Invaders try to stop him. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Born in Sparta, Kratos was a respected soldier and General, up until he lost his wife and daughter when he killed them, albeit by accident, under Ares' command, earning him the nickname The Ghost of Sparta, after which he renounced his service to the war god, eventually killing him and later on ascending to Godhood before exacting revenge . Yggdrasil is simply a structure. Old King Thor is the new All-Father and ruler of Asgard. I guess shaking dimensions and busting universes are unimpressive cuz of people like Hulk and IronClad trading blows along the crossroads and Dark Cho's 123.2 richter scale achievement. And for a time there was only Chaos and Gaia. Sal Buscema and Steve Englehart attempted to provide a satisfactory answer in even Defenders#10. Its one of the most iconic scenes in Marvel Comics, as the two heroes remained effectively frozen for an entire hour, their muscles straining as they try and overpower one another. This version of Thor was less reliant on Mjolnir as a power source. I always thought it was just Galan being reborn from the big bang. Caused a Planet's Life to Evolve in Seconds. This universe is seen as one of the darker timelines introduced by Marvel. The light and power that has burst forth is acting like a beacon of extraordinary power. Thor keeping Loki alive even after he rips out his head would've been somewhat impressive hadn't Thanos done what he did to Deadpool, where he all but makes him immortal. Thor #400 featured a somewhat comical side-story in which the two living legends finally got to try and determine who was the mightier. As life throughout the universe dies, the Tree of Life also dies. Though the feat is impressive, it doesnt even faze the Destroyer. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. But going back to RK Thor. So when RK Thor does this. Follow 17364. . Thor has many universal feats. Disney+'s Loki featured many Easter eggs and one of the best was Throg, a frog version of Thor, who appeared in episode five of the series. Moments later, Thor explains he just ripped apart and sealed Loki under millions of tons of debris. Because after a while Loki realized he couldnt defeat Thor on his own, he would occasionally enlist or trick other to do his bidding. Maybe those ten worlds were kinda like the worlds Silver Surfer kept from Galactus. He said without Mjolnir Thor can't destroy a City or something. Sure, RKT isn't multiversal, but everyone with a functioning brain cell knows that, already. I'd like to point out that this is blatantly copying a Quora answer. As Thor went to check on the fleet, they saw him as an enemy and began to fight with the son of Odin. Bestowed upon him by the world eater Galactus, the Power Cosmic is the source of all the abilities of Silver Surfer. With the narrators saying that the two could go on forever, because of their immortality, the comic ends with the two still arm-wrestling, the winner not decided. Often seen as an antagonist for the Fantastic Four, Galactus has caused cosmic-level threats that involved many of the heroes in Marvel. A feat few Marvel heroes could hope to accomplish. it all depends on your experience with said sites. Even now with the universal threat of the Black Winter, we see that Yggdrasil is dying. He searched the Earth for anyone to help him speak to his late wife. Thor doesn't faces Those Who Sit Above In Shadow directly. The two have battled each other multiple times and in each instance their fights are typically paused or halted become of some contrived reason. Simon Walterson had a rough go at life after he lost his wife and unborn child. Incapable of feeling pain, and meant to withstand the worst attacks the Celestials could inflict, Thor can barely put a dent in the Destroyer. You could also perhaps scale to Odin, who has at least one multiversal outlier. Finally the heroes are able to free Hercules, with Thor using his trusty hammer to break the chains that hold the demigod. So much, in fact, that there is a good argument to be had that this cosmic surfer is the most powerful character in the Marvel universe. It isn't even a universe. Thus we arrive at a simple but factual conclusion RK Thor never had universal power less alone multiversal. Goes double for the depictions of Yggdrasil. Made out of a mystery metal stronger than uru, the metal that makes up Mjolinir, Odin and company fueled the armor with their magic. beating a well fed Galactus who doesn't have any multiversal feats. https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11139/111396494/7759564-8047355157-main-qimg-a6e3a40ebb3cbb6f4c3e00e92ba35afb.jpg, https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11139/111396494/7759566-5896809808-main-qimg-33e1f17a2b6180795ccaa56ee02849c2.jpg. If the latter would ever have any chance of defeating his master, he would have to use much cunning in addition to the full extent of his cosmic abilities. And from the union of Ouranos and Gaia came the Titans. Towards the end of the battle, it appeared as though Cable was going to win. A Multiverse is a hypothetical set of infinite or finite possible universes that together can comprise anything from a comparatively simple collection of parallel 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums, to the 11-dimensional multiversal structure our reality is assumed to be in some theories, or sometimes even higher levels of reality. During the fight, Namor tackles the thunder god and Thor hits Namor harder than he intended, accidentally knocking him out. Kratos is the protagonist of the God of War series. Though The Prime Movers are able to get along, their alliance is temporary and it doesnt take long for their group to fall apart and for its members to turn on one another. When forced to battle Durok the Destroyer, Thor found himself at a severe disadvantage. While Old King Thor is technically from Earth-14412, his life force is tied to the main universe Thor of Eath-616. But again, all of that has been more than debunked. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. And thus we see Yggdrasil imploding into itself. Yeah the Ydrassil is odd, there's conflicting evidence as to what it actually isbut what we do know is that when Strange absorbed it's powers, he was supposed to be the most powerful he's ever been, including classic Strange, no? 10 Most Powerful Thor Variants From The Movies & Comics, Valkyrie's New Costume In Thor Love And Thunder, Thor And Jane Romance In Thor Love And Thunder. RELATED:All Of Silver Surfers Powers, Ranked. Yet still, neither Thor nor Hercules relinquishes their grasp and continues to arm-wrestle as they plummet to the ground. Only out of context statements or implications that they don't understand themselves and wank the characters anyway, Pretty good debunk but werent the realms simply just retconed to being universes(atleast the space they inhabit). Still at the end of the day the Ten Realms are not ten universes, they aren't even ten different dimensions. Note the Forgotten One has lifted the Earth and he says Thor is at least as powerful as him. TL;DR: RKT is not even universal let alone multiversal, don't let the wank mislead you. Out of all the materials in the Marvel Universe, the most notorious, and arguably the most powerful, is the metal known as adamantium. Just a question, it can be from any point in time in any arc. So it probably is multiversal in powerbut power=/=durability. And funny enough this was again shown when Thor became Rune King Thor. He destroyed Yggdrasil, the World Tree. He broke the Surfer's board and sent him flying with a powerful telekinetic blast. I just check in from time to time (create a thread or two in a years out of curiosity) and all I see are salty kids. They are mistaking really that with DC's Ares and Darkseid. Although the full extent of Cable's powers is usually hampered by the techno-organic virus he has contracted,at full strength, this mutant hero is god-like. The God of Thunder refuses to see a world full of innocents be ripped apart and takes the fight to Exitar. NEXT:Thor Love And Thunder Toys Reveal New Costumes And More. If Thor is going to be surviving the gravitational pressure of a neutron star, then you can bet hes also going to withstand the combined weight of20 planets. Depends on how strong phoneix force is as Thor definitely held his own against the bird. Regardless, TWSAIS told Thor that he has bested them. Maybe those ten worlds were kinda like the worlds Silver Surfer kept from Galactus. His job undone, Thor enters Exitar's head and performs another of his all-time greatest feats: Tying his Belt of Power around Mjolnir to focus his energies, Thor unleashes his God Blast, hitting Exitar's brain with the all of his lifeforce. And so he does. Where you can see in the map shown above that the map in the previous scan was still valid. With Thor victorious, he goes off to cause chaos elsewhere. He also has resisted Mephisto tier sound destruction,or Mephisto tier magic. Thanos, the Mad Titan, is one of the most feared beings in the Marvel Universe. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Written by Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz, the tale featured Thor and Hercules standing high atop a plateau on a far-off planet, where they would arm-wrestle one another to finally put an end to the question about who was stronger. In Warp World, each soul paired with another, causing many mixtures of characters across the universe. The Ultimate Universe was Marvels attempt at transforming their characters to be more realistic and relatable to the times. In a surprising turn of events, Jane was able to lift the magical hammer, gaining the powers of a god. Old King Thor often refers to 616 Thor as his "past self" and has insinuated . Thor can't save his own people and land. The victory is short-lived, as the Phoenix quickly recovers, and moves on to Earth. Thor didn't break down any dimension. Then you have the monster known as Mangog. And unlike what some have made it seem, what he did was simply open a path to where the kingdom of Asgard lies. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Jane would then assume the mantle of Thor and join the Avengers, saving people throughout the galaxy. Pretty much, yeah. Yet Mongoose was, and is, nowhere near Thors level of power. Everyone has bad days, but not quite like Thor. The 9 realms being merely a part of land of Asgard separated by water and mountains rather than being complete planets or universes is a nice debunk, I haven't noticed that part before. When our heroes realized anyone could be a Skrull, trust ran in short supply. Plus all sites just seem to have an overall different standard for feats and scaling, which makes every site think every other site is absolute bunk. Thor, for his part, can see a scheme from his brother a mile away and was actually holding back the entire time because of it. Villains like Ultron are known for constructing their bodies out of the material, making them virtually impervious to all harm. Knowing that anyone and everyone with a hunger for power might be attracted to the light, like moths to a flame, Odin sends Thor into the portal to retrieve the Worldheart, a kind of seed that was born from the power and holds incalculable energy as it is the soul of the All-God. Thor agrees, but the one thing he didnt count on was being attacked by the planets inhabitants and their advanced technology. A mutant of sorts, he was born with the deviant gene, which not only made his physiology unique, but also granted him with powers far above anything his people were known for. They couldn't stop under their own power, admitted their defeat, and offered Thor a reward to spare them - concession, apology, and make-up. The explosion knocks out Thor and goes so far as to throw Galactus, one of the mightiest beings in the Marvel Universe, off-balance. Once he found a witch who helped him, he was unable to pay her. Special worlds without a doubt but they are still part of the universe at large. The condition is being brought on by the Mind Valkyrie, who urges the God of Thunder to tear apart not only Asgard, but the entire universe. For whatever reason, Thor is the only one to oppose both of them. If even Thanos can grant immortality to this degree then what RK Thor did was actually nothing of notice. Thor was totally okay with this plan, and Hitler took it up a notch, saying the only forces who could oppose them is the Invaders. I own it but don't want to look it up. And from that light he created the firmament, the stars, the Earth, and everything from highest to lowest. Where you can see in the map shown above that the map in the previous scan was still valid. Galactus, unsurprised, decides to go to war with Asgard. They are simply ten worlds. In Thor #439, Masterson Thor and Dargo Ktor, both of them weaker than Thor, clashed so hard they shook infinitely more than an infinite number of universes (obviously half of infinity is still infinity). Galactus survived the death of a multiverse, but failed to do the same at Thor's hand. A structure within the universe. Jane Foster was a nurse who worked with Dr. Donald Blake, Thors first human vessel. This piece of Mjolnir was then wielded by Simon, who gained the powers that come with it. Among the strongest and most dangerous foes Thor has ever faced is the Destroyer armor. And from that light he created the firmament, the stars, the Earth, and everything from highest to lowest. And has already begun the initial process to begin destroying it. When the Asgardians (and other races) already existed, His father Bor, Odin, Vili and Ve found a crack in the ground, In that crack they found a seed that clearly held great power within it, And Bor planted the seed and from the seed a tree grew, RKT said that Mangog's "magic fails him" because he was drained by Loki, implying that Mangog would have been a trouble for RKT if he was at full power, The Yggdrasil isn't very durable from what I have seen: it could be penetrated by the human machinery and its roots were eaten by some dragon which got beaten by Thor, I've seen some people argue that Yggdrasil is multiverse or even high outerversal, but Thor cut it open with a Mjolnir strike, apparently Mjolnir must also have high outerversal or multiversal durability gg. The Silver Surfer was able to succeed on both of these fronts, outsmarting, then defeating Galactus. 5 years ago. every site has BS tbh, be it CV, Quora, Spacebattles, Instagram, Youtube etc.